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		<title>A summary of Reddit cosmology or, on the forum as a work of art</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is very probable that my readers know what Reddit is. In case instead you lived the last five years under a rock, it is basically one of the most successful forum communities on the Internet. It is a container for bazillions of subforums on every possible subject. Clicking the &#8220;random&#8221; link a few times [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is very probable that my readers know what <a href="http://reddit.com" title="Reddit" target="_blank">Reddit</a> is. In case instead you lived the last five years under a rock, it is basically one of the most successful forum communities on the Internet. It is a container for bazillions of subforums on every possible subject. Clicking the &#8220;random&#8221; link a few times gives me for example things as diverse as forums on <a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/socialism/" title="socialism" target="_blank">socialism</a>, on <a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/firstimpression/" title="first impression" target="_blank">what is your first impression of me</a>, <a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/runescape/" title="Runescape" target="_blank">Runescape</a> (the videogame), <a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/law/" target="_blank">law</a>, <a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/" target="_blank">Linux</a>, <a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/talesfromtechsupport/" target="_blank">tales of people who work in tech support</a>, <a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/Paranormal/" target="_blank">paranomal</a>, <a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SexyCosplayGirls/" title="sexy cosplay girls" target="_blank">sexy cosplay girls</a> and <a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/india/" title="India" target="_blank">India</a>. And that&#8217;s just a minuscule random sample of <i>thousands</i> of forums.</p>
<h3>The first world</h3>
<p></p>
<p>Reddit cultivates its own sense of humour, and among humorous subforums there is, famous, <a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/firstworldproblems" title="first world problems">/r/firstworldproblems</a>. Here, &#8220;first world&#8221; is intended as meaning <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_World" title="first world">developed nations</a>. The &#8220;first world problems&#8221; are <i><a href="http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/first-world-problems">&#8220;frustrations and complaints that are only experienced by privileged individuals in wealthy countries. It is typically used as a tongue-in-cheek comedic device to make light of trivial inconveniences.&#8221;</a></i></p>
<div class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 510px"><img alt="first world problem" src="http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/first-world-problems-milk.jpg" title="first world problem" width="500" height="500" /><p class="wp-caption-text">A typical First World problem</p></div>
<h3>The Second, Third and Fourth World</h3>
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<p>Of course the original subdivision included the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_world">Second world</a>, the (most famous of all) <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_world"> Third world</a> and the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_world">Fourth world</a>. All of them are represented on Reddit (click on image to reach the forum):</p>
<div id="attachment_274" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 1034px"><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/secondworldproblems"><img src="http://blog.devicerandom.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/secondworldScreenshot-1024x339.png" alt="/r/secondworldproblems" title="secondworldScreenshot" width="1024" height="339" class="size-large wp-image-274" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Threads in /r/secondworldproblems. The shiny daily life in socialist countries.</p></div>
<div id="attachment_277" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 1034px"><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/thirdworldproblems"><img src="http://blog.devicerandom.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/thirdworldScreenshot-1024x484.png" alt="third world problems" title="thirdworldScreenshot" width="1024" height="484" class="size-large wp-image-277" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Typical /r/thirldworldproblems. I have no idea of where third world problems are discussed seriously on Reddit.</p></div>
<div id="attachment_280" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 1034px"><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/fourthworldproblems"><img src="http://blog.devicerandom.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/fourthworldScreenshot-1024x334.png" alt="Fourth world problems" title="fourthworldScreenshot" width="1024" height="334" class="size-large wp-image-280" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Usual /r/fourthworldproblems: the happy and simple life of tribes.</p></div>
<h3>The Fifth World</h3>
<p></p>
<p>Until so, nothing more than banter and satire on current world issues and division. But the Reddit hivemind soon asked itself: well, <i>why should we limit to the classical four worlds?</i> What is beyond that?</p>
<p>Enter now the <b><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/fifthworldproblems">Fifth World</a></b>, which is a true through-the-looking-glass experience. You traveled the world from first to fourth: now you go forward and see what&#8217;s <i>beyond</i>. </p>
<div id="attachment_285" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 1034px"><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/fifthworldproblems"><img src="http://blog.devicerandom.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/fifthworldScreenshot-1024x565.png" alt="Fifth World problems" title="fifthworldScreenshot" width="1024" height="565" class="size-large wp-image-285" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">/r/fifthworldproblems : everyday problems beyond your usual dimensions</p></div>
<p>The fifth world is all about the everyday inconveniences of transcendence. It&#8217;s peeling the veil of logic and rules and being puzzled by the surreality below. It&#8217;s opening your door and finding yourself in a painting of Magritte, or worse.</p>
<p>This is how an usual discussion on /r/fifthworld develops:</p>
<blockquote><p>
I wanted to make an apple pie from scratch, but the universe I created only spawns peaches</p>
<blockquote><p>Although it&#8217;s likely that it ceased to exist once you left, perhaps you should try returning to the universe you existed within before creating this peach-only universe&#8211;bring a peach with you it may just become an apple</p>
<blockquote><p>No, no, no. The only way an external object being brought through spacetime unto another plane could be physically changed is if another parallel universe is created <i>from</i> the peach universe. It&#8217;s as though you want him to suffer from inter-dimensional paradox fever.</p>
<blockquote><p>Of course you&#8217;re right, but if you&#8217;d like to get off your high horse for a second: For many transcends, creating a universe is a one-time deal. I know the upper-echelon of Overlord Zangarth&#8217;s court may be able to create dimensions left and right, but think of those of us who can only catch a glimpse of the horrors in the multiscape once.</p></blockquote>
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<p>There are no common notions of space and time in the fifth world. It seems it is a general denomination that in truth encompasses several universes (that can be created and destroyed at will) and several dimensionalities, or none. Laws of physics or math seem to exist <a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/fifthworldproblems/comments/odxiy/i_thought_outside_the_box_but_it_turned_into_a/">only</a> to <a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/fifthworldproblems/comments/oey4u/i_replaced_regular_strings_on_my_guitar_with/">bother you</a> at the <a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/fifthworldproblems/comments/ofr4m/i_went_to_the_toilet_and_when_i_came_back_out/">very least convenient</a> moment. Or, sometimes, <a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/fifthworldproblems/comments/oewzl/i_am_in_a_microverse_where_shading_does_not_exist/">more weird</a> and <a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/fifthworldproblems/comments/og77h/i_domesticated_the_astral_beast_and_now_the/">less comprehensible stuff altogether</a> happens, and it seems the forum <a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/fifthworldproblems/comments/oeyyd/i_am_earth_some_newly_sapient_animals_keep/">has interesting members</a>.</p>
<p>There is only a constant in the fifth world, apparently, and it&#8217;s that <i>everybody is named Stephen</i> (apparently due to <a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/fifthworldproblems/comments/occl7/i_went_back_in_time_and_stood_on_a_butterfly_now/">this unfortunate time travel incident)</a>.</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t need to stretch our imagination to know how the Fifth World looks like, the Reddit community is nice enough to have provided a <b><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/fifthworldpics">whole subforum dedicated to fifth world pics</a></b>. Such images seem to confirm that the whole concepts of logic, dimensionality and spacetime are, somehow, <i>different</i> out there.</p>
<div id="attachment_300" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 410px"><a href="http://blog.devicerandom.org/2012/01/15/reddit-cosmology/5thpics01/" rel="attachment wp-att-300"><img src="http://blog.devicerandom.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/5thpics01.png" alt="" title="5thpics01" width="400" height="400" class="size-full wp-image-300" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Fifth world inhabitant.</p></div><br />
<div id="attachment_302" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 510px"><a href="http://blog.devicerandom.org/2012/01/15/reddit-cosmology/5thworld02/" rel="attachment wp-att-302"><img src="http://blog.devicerandom.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/5thworld02.jpg" alt="" title="5thworld02" width="500" height="404" class="size-full wp-image-302" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Other fifth world dwellers on a perfectly normal day</p></div><br />
<div id="attachment_303" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 509px"><a href="http://blog.devicerandom.org/2012/01/15/reddit-cosmology/n6qo5/" rel="attachment wp-att-303"><img src="http://blog.devicerandom.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/N6Qo5.gif" alt="journey" title="journey" width="499" height="280" class="size-full wp-image-303" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Commuting in the Fifth World during a winter day</p></div>
<h3>The Sixth World</h3>
<p></p>
<p>What <i>could possibly be</i> beyond the mind-bending vastities of the Fifth World? Nobody really knows, but it must be terrible, because <b><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/sixthworldproblems">all we have from the Sixth World</a></b> are screams of various nature. </p>
<div id="attachment_312" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 1034px"><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/sixthworldproblems"><img src="http://blog.devicerandom.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/sixthworldScreenshot-1024x557.png" alt="sixthworldScreenshot" title="sixthworldScreenshot" width="1024" height="557" class="size-large wp-image-312" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">/r/sixthworldproblems. Whatever it is the Sixth World, it looks like pain</p></div>
<p>There is practically nothing intelligible about the sixth world. If the fifth was surreal and logic-twisting, but after all still describable in human words, this can&#8217;t be said for the sixth world. Only madness is there; only screaming can be had.</p>
<h3>The Seventh World</h3>
<p></p>
<p>What is beyond madness? Peace, and a new state of mind. And here we enter the most bizarre and fascinating level of the Reddit cosmology, the <strong><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/seventhworldproblems">Seventh World</a></strong> -the one that actually drove me to write this lengthy post.</p>
<p>The Seventh World is another world true. When we enter it, we first see the dominating image of a serene, sunlit tower, somehow metaphysical, De Chirico-esque.</p>
<div id="attachment_321" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 510px"><a href="http://blog.devicerandom.org/2012/01/15/reddit-cosmology/7thworld_background/" rel="attachment wp-att-321"><img src="http://blog.devicerandom.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/7thworld_background-768x1024.jpg" alt="7thworld_background" title="7thworld_background" width="500" class="size-large wp-image-321" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">The opening image of /r/seventhworldproblems</p></div>
<p>There is no documentation, no guide to the Seventh World: all we know, we know from the posts of its inhabitants (which tend to call it simply &#8220;Home&#8221;). Not even the tower picture seems a clear clue -there is basically no talk of a tower in all the forum. We know that Home has several inhabitants, and <i>some</i> of them feature a number, but nothing is known about what this could mean. </p>
<div id="attachment_322" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 784px"><a href="http://blog.devicerandom.org/2012/01/15/reddit-cosmology/7thworld_screenshot/" rel="attachment wp-att-322"><img src="http://blog.devicerandom.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/7thworld_Screenshot.png" alt="7thworld_Screenshot" title="7thworld_Screenshot" width="774" height="855" class="alignnone size-full wp-image-322" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Threads on /r/seventhworldproblems. The terse or otherwise enigmatic titles are a clue of the general mood of the forum.</p></div>
<p>There doesn&#8217;t seem to be much interaction between them; they often interact however with a huge swarm of <i>machines</i>. Their purpose is unknown but from the posts they seem to be quietly pervasive. There are also disturbing clues of some form of mind control going on. </p>
<div id="attachment_333" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 1034px"><a href="http://blog.devicerandom.org/2012/01/15/reddit-cosmology/thread_7thworld_machinesscreenshot/" rel="attachment wp-att-333"><img src="http://blog.devicerandom.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/thread_7thworld_machinesScreenshot-1024x764.png" alt="" title="thread_7thworld_machinesScreenshot" width="1024" height="764" class="size-large wp-image-333" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">A thread of /r/seventhworldproblems discussing machines, and giving some mind control hint</p></div>
<p>It seems there are some kind of leader entities within Home, which are called the Colours -in particular two are known, who also interact (and moderate) in the forum, Blue and Green. What is the exact nature of the Colours, is unknown.</p>
<p>That is the beauty of the Seventh World: it is unknown. It is something that could only be reconstructed from the vague, contradictory and implicit claims of the forum posts. It&#8217;s like being an alien reading a single Internet forum of ours: they could reconstruct <i>something</i> but most posts would be too implicit, referring to things they can&#8217;t have knowledge of, or too alien, to make sense. /r/seventhworldproblems is not a world building exercise, it is an artefact that <i>asks us to be interpreted as describing a world</i>. </p>
<p>As such, /r/seventhworldproblems is a unique work of collective art. It is the Internet forum version of Arthur C. Clarke&#8217;s Rama from <i><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rendezvous_with_rama">Rendezvous with Rama</a></i>, or of Luigi Serafini&#8217;s <i><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codex_Seraphinianus">Codex Seraphinianus</a></i>: an interpretation device that yields no coherent interpretation. As Shelley Jackson <a href="http://www.believermag.com/issues/200705/?read=article_taylor">remarked about the <i>Codex</i></a>, with words apt here as well:</p>
<blockquote><p>it’s probably meant to hover on the verge of scrutability, to constantly hold forth the possibility of being read but stay resistant at the same time. It’s important that it bothers you with the feeling that there is some content that you ought to be able to extract from it in a normal discursive kind of way. It’s meant to appeal to the rational or exegetical urge. It wants to be interpreted but it won’t let you, and it’s very interesting the way it teasingly asks to be read and then refuses. You could see this as a really really elaborate inkblot. It’s never going to completely yield to you in the sense of giving you insight into the artist’s intentions, so it kind of reverts you back on yourself and makes you notice what you’re noticing and notice the associations that you make. It’s a kind of springboard for your own creative musings.</p></blockquote>
<p>The difference is that here, instead of the asemic writing of the <i>Codex</i>, we have actual writing and concepts. It is possible that one day the Seventh World will collapse into a definite, meaningful narrative. It is also possible that it will dissolve and split, or that it will stay on the verge of vagueness forever, like the memory of a dream or the outlines of a hill from the mist. It&#8217;s an ongoing collective work of art -nobody knows what will happen out of that. <a href="http://www.reddit.com/user/efink009">The Reddit author who conceived /r/seventhworldproblems</a> wrote to me in an email:</p>
<blockquote><p>Hah no, the vagueness of it is the coolest thing. The latest interest in machines is great [...] and what &#8216;Blue&#8217; has become since the beginning is totally amazing. Truthfully, I wish there were some way I could thank the active members of this community for being so cool, and creating such an interesting world.</p></blockquote>
<h3>And beyond?</h3>
<p>
Is there something beyond the Seventh World? There are a few, but none has really taken off. There is however <b><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/infiniteworldproblems/">/r/infiniteworldproblems</a></b>, which is pure madness. You have to <i>see it</i> (and come back with retinas burned, most probably, if only from the stylesheet).</p>
<h3>A sum up of the cosmology</h3>
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<p><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/sixthworldproblems/comments/m70em/out_of_character_a_proposition_based_on_the/c2z4ujm">There is a nice post that sums up the Reddit cosmology pretty well</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>
There&#8217;s method behind the madness.</p>
<p>Firstworldproblems &#8211; the woes of the western entitled</p>
<p>Secondworldproblems &#8211; the woes of the eastern poor</p>
<p>Thirdworldproblems &#8211; the woes of the developing untouchables</p>
<p>Fourthworldproblems &#8211; the woes of the unrecognised and lost</p>
<p>Each ascending number abstracts the subject&#8217;s standing, and by four there&#8217;s nothing left materialistically. The only thing a fourthworlder has is their perception of reaity, which is subsequently abstracted in the fifth world. The sixth world abstracts the abstract, leaving you with nonsense, and the seventh world abstracts the abstraction of the abstract, bringing you to a bizzaro starting point.
</p></blockquote>
<p>The worlds of Reddit -and especially /r/seventhworldproblems &#8211; look like a simple and bewildering usage of the <i>forum</i> to create a collective work of art. A discussion venue which is not <i>about</i> something, but that <i>is</i> something, and alive and open. Take a look, and see if you can call it Home.</p>
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